Alvaro Vives - 18-05-2021 10:30:32
Hi everyone, I'm Alvaro Vives from the RIPE NCC. This chat panel is meant for discussion ONLY. If you have questions for the speaker and you want the session chair to read it out, please write it in the Q&A window also stating your affiliation. Otherwise, you can ask questions using the microphone icon.
Niels Bakker - 18-05-2021 10:30:47
Hello Gert, Alvaro, everybody!
Job Snijders - 18-05-2021 10:30:55
Hello Gert & Erik!
Nathalie Trenaman - 18-05-2021 10:30:59
Goedemorgen Niels!
Lutz Donnerhacke - 18-05-2021 10:31:01
Gert!
Wolfgang Tremmel - 18-05-2021 10:31:07
hey good morning
Kurt Kayser - 18-05-2021 10:31:16
Lutz!
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 10:31:24
Erik seems tired, too much time on the cybersecurity challenge ?
Niels Bakker - 18-05-2021 10:31:39
The social yesterday was wild, Julien. :-)
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 10:32:23
didn't remember the first day was so tiring when we met personnally
Lutz Donnerhacke - 18-05-2021 10:32:42
@Kurt, it was a nice surprise to hear the very well known voice coming out of the woods (where the birds are tweeting)
Remco van Mook - 18-05-2021 10:33:07
I guess I ended up in the wrong bar, as usual
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 10:33:26
one slide more for the secret WG
Wolfgang Tremmel - 18-05-2021 10:34:09
seen some of the videos with lots of skipping ahead
Alvaro Vives - 18-05-2021 10:35:38
Please note that all chat transcripts will be archived and made available to the public on https://ripe82.ripe.net/.
Vesna Manojlovic - 18-05-2021 10:36:21
that was very quick !
Hans Petter Holen - 18-05-2021 10:36:24
That was quick...
Niels Bakker - 18-05-2021 10:36:30
I just got back from an hour at the dentist Gert, give me a break
Kurt Kayser - 18-05-2021 10:36:32
well this was quick
Harry Cross - 18-05-2021 10:36:36
that was very quick
Dennis Koerner - 18-05-2021 10:36:37
That was wy too fast
Harry Cross - 18-05-2021 10:36:39
I didn't get too them in time
Marek Barczyk - 18-05-2021 10:36:40
this was too quick
Frederic Hermann - 18-05-2021 10:36:41
I missed it
Randy Bush - 18-05-2021 10:36:43
i cannot click; and i have seen all
Vesna Manojlovic - 18-05-2021 10:37:40
link to the list of slides, repeated: https://ripe82.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/ap-wg/
Jurrian van Iersel - 18-05-2021 10:37:53
Can we do a poll about people like these pre-recorded presentations?
Jan Žorž - 18-05-2021 10:37:55
Thank you Gert!!!!!
Jan Žorž - 18-05-2021 10:38:00
clap lap clap
Remco van Mook - 18-05-2021 10:38:02
big round of applause for Gert!
Wessel Sandkuijl - 18-05-2021 10:38:08
Thanks Gert!
Xavier Le Bris - 18-05-2021 10:38:08
Thank you Gert
Wolfgang Tremmel - 18-05-2021 10:38:08
thank you!
Nathalie Trenaman - 18-05-2021 10:38:09
APPLAUSE!
Hervé Clément - 18-05-2021 10:38:14
Thank you !
Oliver Payne - 18-05-2021 10:38:14
:clap:
Joachim Ernst - 18-05-2021 10:38:16
:clap: Thanks Gert!
Sergey Myasoedov - 18-05-2021 10:38:16
Thank you Gert!
Christian Adler - 18-05-2021 10:38:19
thanks Gert!
Mirjam Kühne - 18-05-2021 10:38:20
Thanks so much for all your work, Gert!
Jan Žorž - 18-05-2021 10:38:20
standing applause!!!
Kurt Kayser - 18-05-2021 10:38:21
Good job, Gert! Sad to see you to give up this function
Lutz Donnerhacke - 18-05-2021 10:38:21
:clap:
James Kennedy - 18-05-2021 10:38:22
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Harry Cross - 18-05-2021 10:38:23
:clap:
Ruben van Staveren - 18-05-2021 10:38:23
:clap::clap::clap:
João Luis Silva Damas - 18-05-2021 10:38:25
thanks for all your work, gert
Niels Bakker - 18-05-2021 10:38:25
Thank you, Gert! Your service to the community has been immeasurable.
Vesna Manojlovic - 18-05-2021 10:38:26
👏🏽
Thomas Schmid - 18-05-2021 10:38:27
clapclap - thanks Gert
Peter Hessler - 18-05-2021 10:38:28
thanks Gert!
Nathalie Trenaman - 18-05-2021 10:38:28
18 years
Jordi Palet Martinez - 18-05-2021 10:38:30
+1
Brian Nisbet - 18-05-2021 10:38:32
Thank you, Gert! Your years of facilitation and guidance have been incredibly valuable! :clap:
Elvis Daniel Velea - 18-05-2021 10:38:34
great job Gert!
Job Snijders - 18-05-2021 10:38:35
APPLAUS
Mike Simkins - 18-05-2021 10:38:35
:clap:
Niall O'Reilly - 18-05-2021 10:38:36
:clap:
Robert Arrowood - 18-05-2021 10:38:37
:clap:
Christian Adler - 18-05-2021 10:38:37
:wave:
Raymond Jetten - 18-05-2021 10:38:37
Thanks Gert
Rumy Kanis - 18-05-2021 10:38:39
thanks Gert!
Eliot Lear - 18-05-2021 10:38:41
:clap:
Kurt Kayser - 18-05-2021 10:38:41
:cry:
Vesna Manojlovic - 18-05-2021 10:38:42
👏🏻
Daniel Dowse - 18-05-2021 10:38:44
:clap:
Ivan Beveridge - 18-05-2021 10:38:55
:clap: Thanks Gert!
Marco Prause - 18-05-2021 10:38:57
thanks gert :clap:
Matt Parker - 18-05-2021 10:38:58
:clap:
Marco Schmidt - 18-05-2021 10:38:59
:clap::clap:👏🏻👏🏼👏🏽
Alvaro Vives - 18-05-2021 10:39:09
:clap:
Milad Afshari - 18-05-2021 10:39:21
:clap::clap::clap:
Falk von Bornstaedt - 18-05-2021 10:39:25
Thank you Gert! Great job done for so many years!
Gert Doering - 18-05-2021 10:39:26
thanks :-) now I have a tear in my eye
Radu-Adrian Feurdean - 18-05-2021 10:39:31
:clap:
Rumy Kanis - 18-05-2021 10:39:54
does this mean you will stay longer at the socials the night before the AP WG, Gert? ;)
Bijal Sanghani - 18-05-2021 10:40:04
Great work Gert! 👏🏼
Marco Schmidt - 18-05-2021 10:40:14
:beers:
Gert Doering - 18-05-2021 10:40:16
rumy: this sounds very tempting now :-)
Angela Dall'Ara - 18-05-2021 10:40:20
:clap:
Gert Doering - 18-05-2021 10:40:33
:beers:
Job Snijders - 18-05-2021 10:40:36
Gert's interpretation of how to chair a RIPE WG inspired me and others how to handle all kinds of situations. I learned from you Gert - thank you
Jan Žorž - 18-05-2021 10:40:39
wanted to enter the audio queue and play a sound of a huge applause :)
Edoardo Martelli - 18-05-2021 10:40:47
:clap:
Piotr Strzyżewski - 18-05-2021 10:41:09
:clap:
Florence Lavroff - 18-05-2021 10:41:18
Oh wow, the end of an era. Thanks for the great job, Gert !
Jan Žorž - 18-05-2021 10:41:30
we all learned a lot from Gert - and will continue to do so!
Torunn Narvestad - 18-05-2021 10:41:30
Thank you, Gert!
Gert Doering - 18-05-2021 10:41:43
Job, Jan: thanks a lot
Kurt Kayser - 18-05-2021 10:42:07
@Gert: Small hint: why not write up a summary for Do's and Don'ts for new WG-chairs?
Daniel Karrenberg - 18-05-2021 10:42:12
👏🏻Gerrrrrrt!
Jan Žorž - 18-05-2021 10:42:45
now we need a picture of Gert on stage at his first WG chairing session :)
Jan Žorž - 18-05-2021 10:43:02
anyone? :)
Gert Doering - 18-05-2021 10:43:06
I was so young and had no idea what I was doing
Daniel Karrenberg - 18-05-2021 10:43:23
@jan: ask PeterLothberg
Kurt Kayser - 18-05-2021 10:43:30
@Jan: too bad this was way before digital cameras were around..
Brian Nisbet - 18-05-2021 10:43:31
Congrats and welcome James & Leo!
Remco van Mook - 18-05-2021 10:43:32
clap clap
Jan Žorž - 18-05-2021 10:43:32
yeah, probably :)
Oliver Payne - 18-05-2021 10:43:33
:clap::clap::clap:
Rumy Kanis - 18-05-2021 10:43:34
@Jan: Ivan maybe? He's got a huge amount of fotos
Sascha Pollok - 18-05-2021 10:43:34
clapclap
Mirjam Kühne - 18-05-2021 10:43:37
welcome!
Hervé Clément - 18-05-2021 10:43:38
welcome !
Piotr Strzyżewski - 18-05-2021 10:43:40
clap clap
Milad Afshari - 18-05-2021 10:43:41
Welcome James!
Marco Schmidt - 18-05-2021 10:43:49
Congrats Leo Congrats James :clap:
Ivan Beveridge - 18-05-2021 10:43:58
Congratulations James & Leo
Marcin Mikielewicz - 18-05-2021 10:44:17
👏🏻:clap:👏🏻 Big, Big, ... Thanks Gert :)
Florence Lavroff - 18-05-2021 10:44:24
welcome Leo + James !
Niall O'Reilly - 18-05-2021 10:44:25
@Kurt: excellent idea, that Gert write down some of his wisdom
Gert Doering - 18-05-2021 10:44:57
"do not strangle Niall if he wrecks your policy proposals" :-)
Niall O'Reilly - 18-05-2021 10:45:32
Moi? :joy:
Niels Bakker - 18-05-2021 10:45:54
rekt
Gert Doering - 18-05-2021 10:45:56
I think that was the hardest part to learn... calm down and listen...
Desiree Miloshevic Evans - 18-05-2021 10:46:37
thank you Gert - superb service!. Congrats to Leo and James
Jan Žorž - 18-05-2021 10:47:48
I'll try to find some pictures ;)
Brice ABBA - 18-05-2021 10:49:14
I would like to add a comment
Brice ABBA - 18-05-2021 10:49:32
on what Jordy said
Randy Bush - 18-05-2021 10:49:38
@brice: this is not the channel you are looking for
Alvaro Vives - 18-05-2021 10:49:59
@Brice,please write your question in the Q&A panel (icon with question mark) or please wait until the end of the talk and ask your question using audio. Thank you!
Brice ABBA - 18-05-2021 10:50:27
Thx I’ll do do that
Alvaro Vives - 18-05-2021 10:50:41
No problem
Marco d'Itri - 18-05-2021 11:00:18
Did anybody tried asking any of these >10 /29 members if they actually need them?
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 11:00:36
AFAIK, this is part of the process
Marco d'Itri - 18-05-2021 11:00:39
s/did/has/
Alvaro Vives - 18-05-2021 11:01:03
@Marco, if you want your qeustions answered by Marco, please write your question in the Q&A panel (icon with question mark) or please wait until the end of the talk and ask your question using audio. Thank you!
Marco d'Itri - 18-05-2021 11:01:38
than you Alvaro, I think that enough people are asking formal questions for this presentation :-)
Alvaro Vives - 18-05-2021 11:01:55
OK. Marco, just in case :-)
Eliot Lear - 18-05-2021 11:02:30
I think EVERY organization should have at least one LEAR.
Jan Dirnberger - 18-05-2021 11:02:41
No bias there, of course :)
Peter Hessler - 18-05-2021 11:02:42
@Marco if the /29 is the first IPv6 request for a LIR, then there is essentially no questions asked
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 11:03:53
nope, when I registered a second LIR for same org, I asked for another /29 allocation and I was asked to justify it
Peter Hessler - 18-05-2021 11:04:12
oh? interesting
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 11:04:16
so it's more one org = one /29
Peter Hessler - 18-05-2021 11:04:25
that wasn't there when I did that, but that was 6-7 years ago
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 11:04:34
it was 20 months ago
Marco d'Itri - 18-05-2021 11:04:40
Yes. I expect that these members with a non sensible number of /29 acquired them after merging LIRs opened for the purpose of getting a free /22. so proabably they do not care about IPv6 and maybe would happily return most networks if asked nicely
Kurt Kayser - 18-05-2021 11:04:58
Yes, you should, but nothing happens if you do not.
Alex Le Heux - 18-05-2021 11:04:59
Let's make the RIPE NCC the Routing Police! ;)
Lars Prehn - 18-05-2021 11:05:07
I see, thanks!
Rob Evans - 18-05-2021 11:05:07
RIPE-399
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 11:05:14
right, I was my mistake, just checked the request without thinking of it
Matt Parker - 18-05-2021 11:05:28
LIRs are asked during ARCs whether they would like to return any (multiple) IPv6 allocations if they are not in use.
Kurt Kayser - 18-05-2021 11:06:16
slight error on slide: Feb + Apr to the right are 2021
Farzaneh Badiei - 18-05-2021 11:06:43
Quarantine rules everywhere apparently.
Wessel Sandkuijl - 18-05-2021 11:07:08
Thanks!
Michael Richardson - 18-05-2021 11:07:23
So, /24s are mostly being returned due to non-payment?
Wolfgang Tremmel - 18-05-2021 11:07:23
when will the global IPv4 BGP table be only /24s? (no, this is not a serious question)
Gert Doering - 18-05-2021 11:07:55
no idea, but the growth of the table *is* worrying me, for v4 and v6
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 11:08:35
assignments was the main concern in my last ARC
Kurt Kayser - 18-05-2021 11:09:04
The routing table size == cost, performance(lookup and convergence time), expansion limit to the net
Peter Hessler - 18-05-2021 11:09:04
breaking up an assignment to smaller than how you actually assign them, is quite silly imho
Alex Le Heux - 18-05-2021 11:09:48
@Gert: Routing table growth is worrying, but APWG is not the place where this can be solved, just like it wasn't the last dozen times it came up there...
Lars Prehn - 18-05-2021 11:09:52
@Wolfgang, while this might have been a joke, there are more and more /25 and even more-specific prefixes showing up over time---some of which consistently routed (locally) for more than a year. Luckily they are only visible rather locally ...
Farzaneh Badiei - 18-05-2021 11:09:52
does each LIR have one vote? or is it one org, one vote?
Peter Hessler - 18-05-2021 11:10:13
one LIR one vote
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 11:10:14
one org, one vote
Alex Le Heux - 18-05-2021 11:10:19
@Fazaneh: one LIR, one vote
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 11:10:20
oh ?
Wessel Sandkuijl - 18-05-2021 11:10:32
One org, one vote indeed
Ulka Athale - 18-05-2021 11:10:37
It's one member one vote. If a member has multiple LIRs only the primary LIR has the right to vote.
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 11:10:50
I have 2 LIRs and only one vote AFAIK, did I miss something ?
Jan Žorž - 18-05-2021 11:11:03
@Ulka: ergo - one org one vote
Farzaneh Badiei - 18-05-2021 11:11:08
is there a policy about this somewhere? there are some differing views it seems
Matt Parker - 18-05-2021 11:11:18
@Jan ... Yes
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 11:11:18
we've seen the one LIR, one vote in the past but this hasn't been aadopted
Peter Hessler - 18-05-2021 11:11:23
ahh, hrm. maybe the multiple LIRs I voted for were technically different orgs.
Alvaro Vives - 18-05-2021 11:14:45
We have a small break now, session will start again at 11:20 (UTC+2)
Klaas Tammling - 18-05-2021 11:17:34
I miss the bell ringing for the next session...
Robert Scheck - 18-05-2021 11:17:51
Maybe we could ask somebody from the NCC to walk through with a bell? :)
Remco van Mook - 18-05-2021 11:19:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcbR1J_4ICg here's a bell for you
Elvis Daniel Velea - 18-05-2021 11:19:11
less than a minute now :)
Alvaro Vives - 18-05-2021 11:20:05
:bell::bell::bell:
Nurani Nimpuno - 18-05-2021 11:24:26
Hi all, I'm here too if anyone has any questions
Lutz Donnerhacke - 18-05-2021 11:27:04
ICANN ... ugly choices.
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 11:27:39
it's a really complex and political organisation
Lutz Donnerhacke - 18-05-2021 11:28:15
@Julien, I know ... (coming from ALAC)
Brian Nisbet - 18-05-2021 11:28:26
Thanks Filiz!
Rumy Kanis - 18-05-2021 11:28:50
:clap: Filiz!
Florence Lavroff - 18-05-2021 11:28:50
Thanks, Filiz !
Sander Steffann - 18-05-2021 11:29:04
Thanks Filiz!
Farzaneh Badiei - 18-05-2021 11:29:27
Thanks Filiz!!
Rumy Kanis - 18-05-2021 11:29:28
(and Nurani and Herve too, of course! great work!)
Nurani Nimpuno - 18-05-2021 11:29:35
Indeed, thank you Filiz! You have been an invaluable voice of reason on the ASO AC!!
Hervé Clément - 18-05-2021 11:31:08
I really second Nurani and all: Filiz has performed a great job !
Hervé Clément - 18-05-2021 11:31:29
Thanks to Filiz
Tahar Schaa - 18-05-2021 11:35:32
Thanks Filiz!!
Rüdiger Volk - 18-05-2021 11:39:40
contacts in the database were supposed to be for OPERATIONAL purposes - usually the CFO does not help for that
Sander Steffann - 18-05-2021 11:40:14
I think the database needs to represent delegation. If address space is delegated to be managed by someone else it should be in the database
Sander Steffann - 18-05-2021 11:40:38
If (parts of) the allocation are never delegated to someone else, why create an object?
Ivan Beveridge - 18-05-2021 11:40:51
Role objects good; email used more than telephone numbers :thumbsup:
Alex Le Heux - 18-05-2021 11:40:53
when are we going to stop trying to bolt on new ideas to a 30 year old database model and just redo from start?
Rüdiger Volk - 18-05-2021 11:40:55
admin-c ./. tech-c
Kurt Kayser - 18-05-2021 11:41:36
@Alex: I guess this was not serious. It is actually quite good!
Alex Le Heux - 18-05-2021 11:41:48
@kurt: it is serious, actually
Alex Le Heux - 18-05-2021 11:42:11
Remco happens to be talking about the 30 years of nonsensical history that's present there
Alex Le Heux - 18-05-2021 11:42:24
most of it makes no sense in today's world
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 11:43:31
that makes really few anycast
Christian Bretterhofer - 18-05-2021 11:43:36
<pi for end users is hard to get?
Kurt Kayser - 18-05-2021 11:44:22
so is uppercase vs. lowercase considered a typo?
Ivan Beveridge - 18-05-2021 11:44:28
@alex: That exercise certainly makes sense, at least WRT finding out "what is wanted" - whether the final decision is to update existing DB or create new DB (and migrate data). IMO
Alex Le Heux - 18-05-2021 11:44:44
pretty much all that's needed these days is "which IPs are in use?" and "who do I yell at when there's a problem?" right?
Gert Doering - 18-05-2021 11:44:54
yes
Alex Le Heux - 18-05-2021 11:44:55
you can build a very simple data model for that
Gert Doering - 18-05-2021 11:45:04
that was always what was needed
Alex Le Heux - 18-05-2021 11:45:10
even if you want hierarchy in it :P
George Michaelson - 18-05-2021 11:45:22
Geoff always used to say to me BGP doesn't care about RPSL status.
Gert Doering - 18-05-2021 11:45:25
but back then, the "who do I yell at" was different
Ivan Beveridge - 18-05-2021 11:45:46
route objects (for filters, etc), "authorised" by inetnum
George Michaelson - 18-05-2021 11:45:46
APNIC
Christian Bretterhofer - 18-05-2021 11:45:52
Not having more PI spaces means less voice for IP ranges to user companies ( not ISP, not IXP)?
George Michaelson - 18-05-2021 11:46:00
APNIC's "portable" and "non-portable" comes to mind too
Alex Le Heux - 18-05-2021 11:46:06
@gert: my point exactly, all those old structures can be removed, no need to have a dozen different status attributes and all that
Michael Richardson - 18-05-2021 11:46:33
I'm special in my wrongness.
Alex Le Heux - 18-05-2021 11:46:49
@ivan: true, there'll be a couple other things like that, but no one's asked if that's really what we want recently.
Gert Doering - 18-05-2021 11:46:50
we used to put customer contacts there, who inevitably ended being stale... and even if correct, they usually had no idea what to do with "random e-mail / phone call from someone on the Internet". Nowadays we put our team contact there as admin-c/tech-c, and forward accordingly
Alex Le Heux - 18-05-2021 11:47:26
@gert; which is superfluous as you already have those contacts in your allocation object above it
Sander Steffann - 18-05-2021 11:47:58
@alex: I think we agree
Gert Doering - 18-05-2021 11:48:11
Alex: I need to fill the admin-c/tech-c field today
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 11:48:14
there's probably a lot of IP used as anycast not declared as anycast in the DB
Alex Le Heux - 18-05-2021 11:48:17
@sander: I think so too. I think we have for years ;)
Sander Steffann - 18-05-2021 11:48:21
:D
Alex Le Heux - 18-05-2021 11:48:32
I see a Task Force :P
Radu-Adrian Feurdean - 18-05-2021 11:48:36
Just wondering : did anybody have "observation" from sales that registering clients in the RIPE DB may be seen as "confidential information" leakage ?
Gert Doering - 18-05-2021 11:48:36
make them optional, and the lookup recurse up, and things get easier
Marco d'Itri - 18-05-2021 11:48:52
Please remember that people who fight spam are really fond of detailed assignments registrations
Radu-Adrian Feurdean - 18-05-2021 11:49:02
like in "we don't want (part of) our customer database to be public" ?
Hans Petter Holen - 18-05-2021 11:49:14
Yes,
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 11:49:26
we discussed confidentiality a lot when RGPD came into play
Sergey Myasoedov - 18-05-2021 11:49:27
@radu: I've seen an opposite case
Hans Petter Holen - 18-05-2021 11:49:30
that discussion happened even 25 years ago
Peter Hessler - 18-05-2021 11:49:49
yea, I've heard a lot of requests for secrecy in the database from (legit business) customers
Peter Koch - 18-05-2021 11:50:00
the attributes clearly are part of the public register, because they inform, among other things, the applicability of policy - if we only had a RIPE DB TF ...
Sergey Myasoedov - 18-05-2021 11:50:11
the detailed customers' information were published in the RIPE DB, including sensitive data
Gert Doering - 18-05-2021 11:50:28
back then, with "you can't get more space if you do not register!", it was sort of automatically-mandatory... but with no more space to be had, LIRs can get away with not registering anything...
Alex Le Heux - 18-05-2021 11:51:35
@gert: I haven't registered any customer stuff in any public DB in many many years
Alex Le Heux - 18-05-2021 11:51:58
when forced to register something it has always been a placeholder
James Kennedy - 18-05-2021 11:52:18
@Alex, exactly. many apply current v4 assignment policies very differently
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 11:52:21
same here, most of the time, I'm taking responsability to be the declared contact in the DB
Elvis Daniel Velea - 18-05-2021 11:52:27
most of my customers use a role object
Elvis Daniel Velea - 18-05-2021 11:52:48
the person object should disappear from the RIPE Database
Alex Le Heux - 18-05-2021 11:53:01
@julien: Exactly, if there's a problem somewhere, people can talk to me, not my customers.
Gert Doering - 18-05-2021 11:53:01
@alex yes...
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 11:53:02
@elvis : agree with that
Marco d'Itri - 18-05-2021 11:53:20
in some cases I register as "$customer c/o $my_contacts", so everybody is happy. simple and does not require a PDP
Michael Richardson - 18-05-2021 11:54:11
What is the downside to having PI owners all be LIRs?
Gert Doering - 18-05-2021 11:54:39
my PI customers do not want to deal with international contracts... they are happy to talk to us in German, and have us deal with the NCC...
Gert Doering - 18-05-2021 11:54:55
also, cost ... 50 EUR/year vs. 1500 EUR/year.
Robert Scheck - 18-05-2021 11:55:04
+1 Gert
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 11:55:04
most of my customers doesn't even know the RIPE exists
Peter Hessler - 18-05-2021 11:55:31
I have some PI address space specifically because I don't want my home address published in the database, or on the RIPE website
Michael Richardson - 18-05-2021 11:55:32
(I wasn't suggesting it was a good idea, I just wanted to understand clearly what it would entail)
Sergey Myasoedov - 18-05-2021 11:55:35
@Gert: that's my case as well
Hans Petter Holen - 18-05-2021 11:55:39
If all PI customes became members, the membershipfee could be considerably lower.
Robert Scheck - 18-05-2021 11:55:59
But still more than 50 EUR, right, Hans Petter?
Hans Petter Holen - 18-05-2021 11:56:05
Yes.
Peter Hessler - 18-05-2021 11:58:12
lol contracts being available
Gert Doering - 18-05-2021 12:00:25
@sander: Mirjam will come and haunt us all
Sander Steffann - 18-05-2021 12:00:34
I don't care :)
Sander Steffann - 18-05-2021 12:00:42
I already had my lunch ;)
Sander Steffann - 18-05-2021 12:01:07
And I think this discussion shows that the review is needed
Nathalie Trenaman - 18-05-2021 12:01:25
I do, actually. I didn't had lunch, and I need time to do work between sessions. How about an interim meeting for this?
Sander Steffann - 18-05-2021 12:01:32
shit, I think I may just have volunteered for a task force :/ :D
Sander Steffann - 18-05-2021 12:01:42
@nathalie: +1!
Gert Doering - 18-05-2021 12:01:43
yes, but we won't hav ethe review today - so this is really just an announcement of the work to be started
Sander Steffann - 18-05-2021 12:01:59
Interim meeting please
Gert Doering - 18-05-2021 12:03:37
sander, do you want the mike?
Sander Steffann - 18-05-2021 12:03:48
Nah, takes too much time
Sander Steffann - 18-05-2021 12:03:57
You go ahead and say it on my behalf
Sander Steffann - 18-05-2021 12:04:22
Feel free to blame me :)
Sander Steffann - 18-05-2021 12:04:49
You bastard ;)
Nathalie Trenaman - 18-05-2021 12:04:53
hehehehehe
Peter Koch - 18-05-2021 12:04:53
what's the problem to this solution?
Rumy Kanis - 18-05-2021 12:04:54
lol
John Curran - 18-05-2021 12:04:55
@sander - apparently you did...
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 12:05:01
I think that was not his EXACT words
Elvis Daniel Velea - 18-05-2021 12:05:07
lol
Sander Steffann - 18-05-2021 12:05:10
hahahahahaha
Niall O'Reilly - 18-05-2021 12:05:23
Bravo, Sander! 8-)
Alex Le Heux - 18-05-2021 12:05:28
@sander, I'll take some of the work as well if you want :)
Suzanne Taylor - 18-05-2021 12:05:42
My pleasure!
Sergey Myasoedov - 18-05-2021 12:05:58
Thanks to everyone!
Sander Steffann - 18-05-2021 12:06:01
THANK YOU GERT!!!!
Julien Escario - 18-05-2021 12:06:03
thanks !
James Kennedy - 18-05-2021 12:06:06
great participation, thanks all!
Alex Le Heux - 18-05-2021 12:06:07
WE'LL MISS YOU GERT
Lu Zhang - 18-05-2021 12:06:08
Thanks
Wessel Sandkuijl - 18-05-2021 12:06:08
Thanks Gert
Mirjam Kühne - 18-05-2021 12:06:08
and only 6 minutes late ;-)
Niall O'Reilly - 18-05-2021 12:06:13
Great job, Gert!
Jan Žorž - 18-05-2021 12:06:14
waving
John Curran - 18-05-2021 12:06:15
:clap:
Alvaro Vives - 18-05-2021 12:06:19
This session has now ended. The next session is Open Source and it will start at 13:00 (UTC+2). More info on the RIPE 82 meeting plan: https://ripe82.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/
